Episode 182

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22nd Mar 2025

Episode 182: FLASHBACK — Redefining Neurodivergent Assessments and Overcoming Internalized Ableism [featuring Jessica Hogan]

In this flashback episode, Dr. Jessica Hogan and I delve into the world of neurodivergent affirming assessments and the necessity for accessible, empathetic support for neurodivergent individuals.

Key takeaways:

  1. The Paradigm Shift in Neurodivergence Awareness: Dr. Hogan emphasizes the importance of ongoing work for neurotypical clinicians to be affirming, addressing internalized ableism, and fostering a paradigm shift in understanding and accommodating neurodivergent individuals.
  2. Challenges and Visibility in the Workplace: We discuss the increasing visibility of neurodivergent and autistic clinicians and the hurdles they face in disclosing their neurodivergence. Authenticity, cultural competence, and collaboration are crucial for effective assessments and building trust with clients.
  3. Empowering Self-Diagnosis and Community Inclusion: Social media platforms are revolutionizing the way individuals relate to their neurodivergence, promoting self-discovery, and encouraging self-diagnosis. Dr. Hogan advocates for joining the neurodivergent community and seeking validation, without always requiring formal assessments.

Listen to better understand creating accessible, affirming, and life-changing assessments for neurodivergent individuals.

More about Jessica:

Dr. Hogan (or Jess, whatever) is an auDHD licensed clinical psychologist in Minnesota and California, where she owns her own practice. She oversees a neuroaffirming assessment training program for doctoral students and postdoctoral fellows. With over 15 years of experience working with autistic individuals, she has been conducting autism and ADHD assessments for over a decade. Additionally, Dr. Hogan teaches psychodiagnostic assessment in a clinical PsyD program and serves as the principal investigator on a research project examining the experiences of autistic therapists. Her special interests include neurodiversity-affirming care, true crime, reading, and circus arts.

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The Neurodivergent Entrepreneur
Honest conversations about building a business while Autistic, ADHD, or both — the self-doubt, the chaos, and everything in between.
The Neurodivergent Entrepreneur is a podcast for ADHD, Autistic, and otherwise neurodivergent entrepreneurs who are building businesses, creative work, and lives that actually fit how their brains work. Hosted by Patrick Casale, this show is for people who
want to create meaningful work, make money, grow their impact, and build something sustainable without losing themselves in the process.

Being a neurodivergent entrepreneur can feel like holding a lot of contradictions at once. You may have big ideas, deep passion, creative energy, and a strong desire to do things differently. You may also be navigating burnout, masking, self-doubt, perfectionism, rejection sensitivity, executive dysfunction, inconsistent energy, and the pressure to keep showing up when your capacity is already stretched. This podcast speaks to that reality honestly, because building a business around your brain, your values, and your lived experience can be powerful, complicated, messy, and deeply personal.

Patrick Casale is a therapist, entrepreneur, speaker, retreat host, group practice owner, and neurodivergent business owner who has built, grown, burned out, pivoted, and kept going. His work brings together clinical insight, lived experience, business perspective, and real conversation about what it actually takes to create something that feels aligned. His conversations are direct, compassionate, unfiltered, and practical, with room for both the emotional reality of entrepreneurship and the concrete decisions that shape a sustainable business.

New episodes drop every Wednesday and feature honest conversations with neurodivergent entrepreneurs, creators, therapists, business owners, and leaders. Together, Patrick and his guests explore entrepreneurship, identity, mental health,
creativity, leadership, systems, money, visibility, community, sustainable growth, and the behind-the-scenes reality of creating work that matters.

Build the business. Protect your capacity. Create work that actually fits.