Episode 189: Motivational Interviewing — Fostering Hope in Uncertain Times [featuring Hillary Logan]

It can be easy to feel overwhelmed, burnt out, or in need of hope during uncertain times in our lives. In this episode, Patrick Casale and Hillary Logan talk about using Motivational Interviewing (MI) as a realistic, strengths-based way to cultivate hope—even amidst collective uncertainty.

3 Key takeaways:

1. Reground in the “Spirit” of MI: Hillary highlighted four core elements—compassion, acceptance, empowerment, and partnership. By practicing self-compassion and embracing self-acceptance, we allow ourselves the grace to be where we are, not where we “should” be.
2. Empowerment Isn’t All-or-Nothing: Sometimes taking action means boundary-setting, resting, or simply stepping away from the news to protect your mental health. Empowerment can look like giving yourself permission to do less, not more.
3. Community and Connection Matter: Whether it’s drawing on our internal resources or actively seeking community support, partnership—both with ourselves and others—is vital for resilience. Even small moments of connection can restore hope and energy during tough times.

More about Hillary Logan, MSW, LCSW and LCAS, member of the MINT:

Hillary Logan has been a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) since 2011. She is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker and Addiction Therapist. Hillary has worked as a helping professional for 20 years, ranging from working in wilderness therapy to community mental health, providing in-home and school-based services, and as a therapist with specialties including working with anxiety, trauma, addiction, and veterans.

• Free resources: micenterforchange.com/free-resources
• Hope course: micenterforchange.com/Eight-ways-to-hope-course
• Level 1: Foundations of Motivational Interviewing course: micenterforchange.com/beginner-foundations
• Email: hillary@micenterforchange.com

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I want to thank Alma for sponsoring this episode. Building and managing the practice you want can be challenging. That’s why Alma offers tools and resources to help you build not just any practice, but your private practice. They’ll help you navigate insurance, access referrals who are the right fit for you, and efficiently manage administrative tasks — so you can spend less time on the details, and more time delivering great care. You support your clients. Alma supports you. Visit helloalma.com/ATPP to learn more.

All Things Private Practice — 2025 & 2026 Retreats

All Things Private Practice has some amazing retreat experiences coming up in 2025 and 2026. Join us in Edinburgh, Scotland for the second Doubt Yourself, Do It Anyway Summit from July 14th to 17th, 2025! We have an incredible lineup of 12 speakers and offer 12 MBCCEs. If you're a leader or aspiring to start a group practice, join our Leadership Retreat in Chania, Crete, from September 6th to 11th. In 2026, we have two retreats in Queenstown, New Zealand. The first is for Neurodivergent Entrepreneurs from March 1st to 8th, and the second retreat, Beyond Private Practice, focuses on moving beyond one-on-one therapy and creating alternative income streams from March 15th to 22nd. Spaces are limited, so check the links to sign up today. Doubt yourself, do it anyway! Doubt Yourself, Do It Anyway Summit in Scotland: https://www.empoweredescapes.com/scotland-july-2025-summit Leadership Retreat in Chania, Crete: https://www.empoweredescapes.com/greece-retreat-2025 Neurodivergent Entrepreneurs in Queenstown, New Zealand: https://www.allthingspractice.com/new-zealand-neurodivergent Beyond Private Practice in Queenstown, New Zealand: https://www.allthingspractice.com/new-zealand-income-streams