Episode 229

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10th Jan 2026

Episode 229: Mixed Neurotype Couples: Before and After Diagnosis [featuring Thomas Kear and Lauren Sanderson]

In this episode, Patrick Casale talks with Thomas Kear and Lauren Sanderson, founders of neuroduo, about being in a mixed neurotype relationship, navigating ADHD and Autism, whether diagnosed or not. This conversation is packed with real-life reflections on neurodiversity, partnership, and communication.

Here are 3 key takeaways:

  1. Understanding Yourself First is Crucial: Before you can support your partner, you need to understand and learn about your own neurodivergence—only then can you communicate your needs and work together.
  2. Communication Styles Can Be Wildly Different: The “Thunderstorm and Turtle” analogy for mixed neurotype partnerships (ADHD and Autistic) is a powerful reminder that urgency and withdrawal can clash, but knowledge and compassion make repair possible.
  3. Diagnosis Brings Validation, Not Instant Solutions: Getting an Autism or ADHD diagnosis doesn’t change who you are overnight, but it does give you the language and understanding you need to stop blaming yourself—and to ask for what you need.

More about Thomas and Lauren:

We’re Lauren and Tom, a neurodivergent couple living in Queenstown, New Zealand. After both receiving ADHD diagnoses as adults (Tom also with Autism and OCD a year prior), we launched neuroduo – a platform to share our lived experiences with ADHD and Autism. Through storytelling, humour, and real talk, we help others feel seen, understood, and empowered.

Our aim is to educate, empower, and advocate for neurodivergent people by sharing real, lived experiences and building more inclusive spaces — one conversation at a time.

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The Neurodivergent Entrepreneur
Honest conversations about building a business while Neurodivergent, the self-doubt, the chaos, and everything in between.
The Neurodivergent Entrepreneur is a podcast for ADHD, Autistic, and all other neurodivergent entrepreneurs who are building businesses, creative work, and lives that actually fit how their brains work. Hosted by Patrick Casale, LCMHC, this show is for people who
want to create meaningful work, create outside of the box, grow their impact, and build something sustainable without losing themselves in the process.

Being a neurodivergent entrepreneur can feel like holding a lot of contradictions at once. You may have big ideas, deep passion, creative energy, and a strong desire to do things differently. You may also be navigating burnout, masking, self-doubt, perfectionism, rejection sensitivity, executive dysfunction, inconsistent energy, and the pressure to keep showing up when your capacity is already stretched. This podcast speaks to that reality honestly, because building a business around your brain, your values, and your lived experience can be powerful, complicated, messy, and deeply personal.

Patrick Casale is a chronically ill, AuDHD, mental health therapist, entrepreneur, TEDx speaker, event host, group practice owner, and neurodivergent business owner who has built, grown, burned out, pivoted, and kept going. His work brings together clinical insight, lived experience, business perspective, and real conversation about what it actually takes to create something that feels values aligned. His conversations are direct, compassionate, unfiltered, and practical, with room for both the emotional reality of entrepreneurship and the concrete decisions that shape a sustainable business.

New episodes drop every Wednesday and feature honest conversations with neurodivergent entrepreneurs, creators, therapists, business owners, and leaders. Together, Patrick and his guests explore entrepreneurship, identity, mental health, chronic health,
creativity, leadership, systems, money mindset, visibility, community, sustainable growth, and the behind-the-scenes reality of creating work that matters.

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